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Geosaurus Unleashed: We Hear You
2025-04-09 16:00 - 17:00 (America/Chicago) | Geospatial Innovation Center @ T-REX (4th Floor), 911 Washington Ave, St. Louis, MO, 63101, United States
Making Accessibility Smarter
We Hear You, an Arch Grant recipient and T-REX company, is redefining accessibility with innovative assistive tech. Their Hero Door Opener turns standard doors into automatic, touch-free entry points in minutes—no hardwiring needed.
Now, with geolocation technology, their app helps users easily find Push compatible doors through an interactive map. As they continue to innovate, they’re working toward geospatial integration to map broader accessibility data, making barrier-free navigation even more intuitive.
Join us Wednesday, April 9th from 4pm to 5pm CST for Geosaurus Unleashed! Enjoy an impactful presentation from We Hear You, as well as free drinks and food, and networking.
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Every second Wednesday of the month we spotlight a speaker to discuss how they’re using geospatial technology in their field of expertise to tackle some of the world’s toughest problems.

Geosaurus Unleashed: Project Connect
2025-05-14 16:00 - 17:00 | Geospatial Innovation Center @ T-REX (4th Floor), 911 Washington Ave, St. Louis, MO, 63101, United States
The OurPlan neighborhood initiative within Project Connect utilized advanced geospatial mapping tools to identify and highlight target areas for housing infill and development.
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Through detailed spatial analysis, the initiative pinpointed optimal locations for residential, commercial, and mixed-use projects, ensuring strategic and efficient growth while prioritizing the needs and desires of the community. These mapping insights will help guide conversations about funding and implementation, ensuring that resources are allocated effectively and development efforts align with both community priorities and long-term growth goals.
Join us every second Wednesday, from 4pm to 5pm CST for Geosaurus Unleashed! Enjoy an impactful presentation as well as free drinks and food, and networking.
Reserve Your Ticket Here

OneSTL Sustainability Lab
2025-10-28 15:30 - 17:00 | Sharptooth Boardroom @ T-REX (5th Floor), 911 Washington Ave., St. Louis, MO, 63101, United States
Sustainability Labs are hubs of collaboration for people working on, learning about, and advocating for sustainability, established in partnership with T-REX. If you have any questions or comments about the Lab or would like to suggest a topic, email them!
3:45pm-5:00pm Presentation & Discussion (join in person or on Zoom)
5:00pm-6:00pm Networking (in person only)
Join in Person:
T-REX (911 Washington Ave. in downtown St. Louis)
Sharptooth Boardroom (5th Floor)
Plan your trip using public transit here.
More details to come! Check OneSTL’s website for updates.
EWG is committed to ensuring that all meetings are both ADA and LEP accessible. To request a reasonable accommodation for this meeting please contact EWG’s Title VI Coordinator at least 48 business hours prior to the meeting at (314) 421-4220 or (618) 274-2750 or titlevi@ewgateway.org.

MGISAC November Meeting Watch Party
2025-11-13 10:00 - 12:00 | Geospatial Innovation Center @ T-REX (4th Floor), 911 Washington Ave, St. Louis, MO, 63101, United States
Join us to attend a viewing of the November meeting of the Missouri Geographic Information Systems Advisory Council! Coffee provided.
More information about MGISAC at their website: https://mgisac.org/

MGISAC Watch Party
November 13, 10:00 AM – 12:00 PM
Location: Geosaurus Foyer, 4th Floor

T-REX Chili Cook-Off
2025-11-20 11:30 - 13:00 | T-REX 5th Floor, 911 Washington Ave. Suite 500, St. Louis, MO, 63101, United States
T-REX Chili Cookoff
Thursday, November 20
11:30am
5th floor cafe area
If you wish to enter the cookoff, BYO Chili to share in a slow cooker.
*bring an ingredient list to display and be sure to name your chili.
*T-REX will provide power strips, chili toppings/fixings and beverages.

12:30pm T-REX staff will tally votes and declare a winner at 1pm. There will be a prize!

Have a dessert or side to share? Please bring it!

Don’t have a chili to share but still want to eat? No prob! Earn your meal by bringing canned or dry goods for St. Louis Area Foodbank and those affected by the recent federal funding cut for the SNAP Program. Your generosity here is appreciated.

All are welcome! Bring a friend : )

T-REX Blood Drive
2025-12-03 10:00 - 14:00
T-REX is proud to be hosting a Blood Drive with the American Red Cross on December 3rd. While you may show up on the day to give blood, it is preferred that you register online before you arrive to save time for the American Red Cross staff, as well as your own time.
You can register to give blood here.
There is no such thing as too much donated blood, it will save a life. Thank you for your support! <3

Founder Framework
2025-12-09 08:00 - 2026-01-09 23:30 | Online & T-REX, 911 Washington Ave. #500, St. Louis, MO, 63101, United States
Founder Framework — Program Overview for Applicants
Founder Framework is an 11-week, hands-on and in-person program at T-REX designed to help early-stage founders gain clarity, build essential startup skills, and create the core materials needed to move their businesses forward. Whether you’re at the idea stage or already have customers, the program focuses on fundamentals that even experienced founders revisit again and again.
Each week focuses on one foundational topic — from customer discovery and value proposition design to business models, market sizing, go-to-market strategy, and financial storytelling. Founders leave every session with practical, usable outputs they can apply immediately.
The program also integrates investor-readiness throughout, helping founders develop a clear and compelling narrative for grant opportunities, pitch competitions, and future fundraising.
The program is free, in-person, and facilitated by venture capitalist Vikram Lakhwara, with support from the T-REX community.
Who Should Apply?
Early-stage founders, idea-stage founders validating a concept, first-time builders seeking structure, and entrepreneurs preparing for future grant, pitch, or investment opportunities.
What You Will Gain
🦖 A clarified problem, customer segment, and value proposition
🦖 Customer insights from real conversations
🦖 A simple and defendable TAM/SAM/SOM model
🦖 A working business model and early unit economics
🦖 A practical go-to-market plan and early experiments
🦖 A product roadmap tied to milestones
🦖 A straightforward financial story and model
🦖 A polished, investor-ready narrative and pitch outline
Details
Format: In-person workshops at T-REX
Cost: Free
Duration: 11 weeks
Program dates & times: Jan 28 – Apr 15, 2026; Wednesdays, 6–8pm at T-REX (no session March 11 for spring break)
Application deadline: January 9, 2026
APPLY HERE

Mentorship For Growth | Leveraging The Geospatial Ecosystem
2025-12-10 10:00 - 12:30 | Enterprise Room @ T-REX (5th Floor), 911 Washington Ave. Suite 500, St. Louis, MO, 63101, United States
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T-REX, in coordination with the NGA’s Moonshot Labs, is excited to present: Mentorship for Growth, Leveraging the Geospatial Ecosystem!
Who is this for? Small Businesses & Industry Partners with capabilities that support National Security Interests and/or the GOINT mission.
Who will be speaking? Representatives from NGA’s Moonshot Labs, Sekhar Prabakar (CEdge), Dr. Justin W. Bennett (Pinnacle Business Strategies) & Ryan Phillips (Vega Federal).
What is it? A networking & collaboration opportunity to engage with government stakeholders, prime contractors + other businesses to advance partnerships with the NGA. Attendees will be included in informational sessions, a fireside chat and a mixer to help accelerate some of the concepts shared that morning and further one’s journey into federal contracting.
This is an in-person event, please RSVP with the link below:
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FESTIVUS
2025-12-11 17:00 - 19:30 | T-REX 5th Floor, 911 Washington Ave. Suite 500, St. Louis, MO, 63101, United States
This Thursday, FESTIVUS is BACK at T-REX!
Feats of Stregth 💪
Airing Out Grievances 😱
Free Drinks 🍺
You’re not gonna want to miss our end of the year celebration, you know we always go BIG 🦖 Reject the holiday industrial complex with us at T-REX on December 11th, 5-7:30pm!

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2025-12-31 - 2026-12-31 | 5th Floor Coworking Space @T-REX, 911 Washington Ave., St Louis, MO, 63101
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STL Global PetCare Innovation District Meetup - Series Kickoff
2026-01-13 16:00 - 17:00 | T-REX 5th Floor, 911 Washington Ave. Suite 500, St. Louis, MO, 63101, United States
St Louis is home to one of the richest PetCare ecosystem’s in the world — an ecosystem long overdue to be connected, activated and unleashed — an ecosystem possessing tremendous potential to realize St Louis as a leading growth hub in the nearly $400B global PetCare industry, an industry that includes a PetTech sector forecast to grow from $12B to $24B by 2030.

When: January 13, 4-5pm (1st in an ongoing meetup series planned every 2nd Tuesday at 4pm in 2026)

Where: T-REX, 5th floor

Who: Anyone ready to actively shape the future of a booming global PetCare industry — entrepreneurs, founders, investors, corporates, community/civic organizations and more…

What: This isn’t a pitch or a panel — it’s the 1st in a series of monthly working conversations focused on activating the potential that exists in St Louis’ unique density of largely disconnected PetCare companies, capabilities, knowledge and expertise. These meetups will be a catalyst in connecting and activating our long-disconnected PetCare ecosystem and making St Louis the go-to place for entrepreneurs to start and grow new PetCare businesses, for investors to fuel that growth and for existing PetCare corporates to find meaningful partnerships/investments and for players in other industries to realize the value of their brand’s in PetCare ventures.

Did you know that there are more than 30 high-signal PetCare, PetTech, VetCare, VetTech companies whose HQ’s are in the St Louis region? Our region is unique in PetCare, possessing 1) anchor gravity, 2) execution infrastructure, 3) real-world care knowledge, capability and access and 4) an active community of emerging brands, startups and investors. Other regions may have 1-2 of these. St Louis has all of them. This reinforces that St Louis is not an emerging ecosystem — it’s an under-activated one that doesn’t need to be created, just engaged.

American Red Cross Blood Drive
2026-03-25 10:00 - 14:00
REGISTER TO DONATE HERE
🩸 Give blood. Save lives. T-REX is hosting an American Red Cross Blood Drive on Wed, March 25 from 10 AM – 2 PM at T-REX.
If you register ahead of time and successfully donate, you’ll receive a $15 Amazon gift card as a thank-you (emailed to registered email address ~30 days after donation). Blood donations are always in demand, and every donation can help patients in need across our community.
📅 Reserve your spot and roll up your sleeve for a good cause.

StartupSTL: $10k University Pitch Competition (STL TechWeek 2026)
2026-04-13 17:00 - 19:30 | T-REX 5th Floor, 911 Washington Ave. Suite 500, St. Louis, MO, 63101, United States
Mark your calendars for the opening day of STL TechWeek where St. Louis’ top universities are going head-to-head in a live startup competition — bringing the region’s next generation of founders to one stage.
The StartupSTL $10K University Pitch Competition will feature nine student-led startups, each hand-picked by their institution, competing for a $10,000 non-dilutive prize, and serious bragging rights across the region.
Each team will deliver a five-minute pitch, followed by a live Q&A with a panel of venture capital judges, evaluating not just the idea, but the team, traction, and potential to scale.
This is more than a competition — it’s a showcase of the emerging startup pipeline across St. Louis, connecting universities, founders, investors, and the broader tech community.
LEARN MORE & REGISTER HERE

Midwest Ecommerce Summit: Built to Grow (STL TechWeek 2026)
2026-04-15 13:00 - 17:00 | T-REX 5th Floor, 911 Washington Ave. Suite 500, St. Louis, MO, 63101, United States
The Midwest Ecommerce Summit returns to St. Louis on April 15th at T-REX, as part of the 4th Annual STL TechWeek

This year’s theme — Built to Grow — challenges ecommerce leaders to take a hard look at the technology powering their business.
Growth changes everything.
Will the technology you have today get you to tomorrow?
The systems that helped you launch and scale may not be ready for what comes next. As revenue increases and operations become more complex, cracks begin to surface. What once powered growth can begin to slow it down.
The Midwest Ecommerce Summit is a leading ecommerce conference in St. Louis focused on modernizing the ecommerce tech stack for growing Midwest brands. MES brings together manufacturers, retailers, and distributors to evaluate and strengthen the systems behind their ecommerce operations — without adding unnecessary complexity.
Throughout the afternoon, speakers and merchants will explore what it takes to modernize an ecommerce operation at scale. We’ll examine how the layers of a modern tech stack connect across the business. Platform decisions influence marketing performance. ERP alignment shapes reporting accuracy. Inventory visibility impacts customer experience. Payments, tax compliance, AI, and automation operate within the same ecosystem.
Understanding how those systems work together is essential to sustaining growth.

LEARN MORE AND REGISTER HERE

Geoguessr Tournament
2026-04-15 15:00 - 18:00 | Geospatial Innovation Center @ T-REX (4th Floor), 911 Washington Ave, St. Louis, MO, 63101, United States
It’s time for our first annual Geoguessr Tournament. Come join us at T-REX and put your skills to the test! We will be competing at T-REX to see who can hold the title for the best at finding where in the world you are if you were just given a Google streetview.

Come ready to have fun and have your name added to the Geoguessr trophy solidifying your name in T-REX history.

REGISTER HERE

Breakthrough: A Health Innovation Symposium (STL TechWeek)
2026-04-16 10:00 - 16:00 | T-REX 5th Floor, 911 Washington Ave. Suite 500, St. Louis, MO, 63101, United States
The 4th Annual STL TechWeek is taking over St. Louis on April 13 – 17, 2026 with free events all over the region. Hosted by TechSTL.

Breakthrough: A Health Innovation Symposium is a full-day technical conference convening the region’s and nation’s top leaders at the intersection of HealthAI, Biomedical Innovation, and Pharmaceutical Manufacturing. Hosted during the 4th Annual STL TechWeek, Breakthrough is designed for founders, technologists, clinicians, researchers, manufacturers, and innovation leaders shaping the future of healthcare.
Throughout the day, attendees will hear from industry experts and practitioners driving real-world breakthroughs in AI-powered diagnostics, next-generation medical devices, advanced manufacturing, and multi-modal marketing strategies in the healthcare industry. Sessions will focus on applied technology, emerging research, commercialization pathways, and the infrastructure required to scale innovation in health and life sciences.
Parking is available in the nearby Marriott parking garage, in the lot between 10th and 11th street, or at the street meters around T-REX.

Lunch & Learn with Trust Attorney Jasmine Chen
2026-05-13 11:30 - 12:30
Wednesday, 5/13, don’t miss a FREE lunch & learn at T-REX with a trust attorney!
Hear Jasmine Chen, trust attorney with UB Greensfelder, present, “Future-Proofing Your Business: Ownership, Control & Family Protection.”
Reserve your spot here

Boardroom Bullpen Open Office Hours - 1st & 3rd Thursdays
2026-05-21 09:00 - 11:00 | T-REX 5th Floor, 911 Washington Ave. Suite 500, St. Louis, MO, 63101, United States
If you’re building a business and have tough questions, ask expert Ted Stann at Boardroom Bullpen during their Open Office Hours on Thurs, 3/19, 9-11 AM at T-REX!
A 25+ year veteran of the St. Louis startup ecosystem, Ted has worked with over 100 startup and traditional companies and has helped raise $300M in equity. Besides Co-founding Boardroom Bullpen, which offers strategic leadership and support, Ted has served as an Adjunct Professor at WashU’s Olin Business School.
Don’t miss your chance to ask Ted questions on everything from bookkeeping basics to fundraising strategy, forecasting, cap table management, and financial tech stacks.
Boardroom Bullpen Open Office Hours are held every 1st and 3rd Thursday, 9-11 AM, on the 5th Floor at T-REX

Small Business Collider: How to Navigate Federal Contracting
2026-05-21 09:30 - 12:30
Small business owners, ready to master navigating federal contracts? Learn from Subject Matter Experts at our FREE Business Collider on Thursday, 5/21, at T-REX, from 9:30-12:30.
Hear directly from experts at the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA), Enabled Intelligence, Inc, Gateway Geospatial Group (G3), Missouri APEX Accelerator, and more as they share insights, resources, and strategies for working in the federal space.

Learn more & register here

Morning Hatch — First Wednesdays
2026-06-03 11:00 - 12:00 | T-REX 5th Floor, 911 Washington Ave. Suite 500, St. Louis, MO, 63101, United States
Don’t miss Morning Hatch on June 3! Joe Lakin, CEO of Objective Strategies, will cover the topic, “Attacking AI Anxiety,” where he’ll discuss practical ways business leaders and their teams can immediately harness AI and start putting it to work.
Objective Strategies is a St. Louis–based business strategy firm specializing in communications and technology. Objective serves clients ranging from regional brands like Kennelwood, Waterway, Union Station, and the St. Louis Aquarium to civic organizations like T-REX and Kids Win Missouri. Joe spends his days helping leaders cut through complexity and figure out what’s actually worth doing — and his team puts those decisions into practice across strategy, communications and technology work. He lives in Webster Groves with his wife and two young kids.

About Morning Hatch
Morning Hatch is an entrepreneur-focused seminar series presented by organizations who assist small business owners, and is on the first Wednesday of every month. This series will feature a rotation of topics that apply to a broad range of businesses. All are welcome to attend!

PetSTL Petcare Innovation District Meetup
2026-06-09 16:00 - 17:00 | T-REX 5th Floor, 911 Washington Ave. Suite 500, St. Louis, MO, 63101, United States
Pet Industry Professionals — join us at T-REX on Tuesday, 6/9, to connect with one of the richest pet industry ecosystems in the country.

Dr. Stephanie Clark (“Dr. Steph”), a St. Louis local and PetCare rockstar, will be joining us as the featured guest. As VP of Nutrition at BSM Partners, co-host of the Barking Mad Podcast, and creator of Ask Dr. Steph on X, Stephanie sits at the intersection of animal health, pet nutrition, science, innovation, and entrepreneurship. Few people have a better perspective on where the PetCare industry is headed.
We’ll explore emerging trends in pet health and nutrition, discuss opportunities for entrepreneurs and innovators, and talk about what it takes to build meaningful solutions that improve the lives of pets and the people who love them.
Whether you’re a founder, investor, veterinarian, PetCare professional, student, or simply passionate about the future of companion animal care, we’d love to see you there.

STL PetCare Innovation District Meetups are held on the second Tuesday of every month, 4pm-5pm, at T-REX.

Geosaurus Unleashed - Second Wednesdays
2026-06-10 16:00 - 17:30 | Geospatial Innovation Center @ T-REX (4th Floor), 911 Washington Ave, St. Louis, MO, 63101, United States
Geosaurus Unleashed is back! Join us Wed, June 10, for “From Classroom to Community: Collaborative GIS Learning to Solve Real Transportation & Mobility Challenges”
This talk highlights an ongoing partnership between Trailnet and WashU Continuing & Professional Studies (CAPS), through which GIS students engage directly with real-world transportation planning challenges around St. Louis. By sharing multiple student project examples, we’ll explore how GIS becomes a tool for collaboration, creativity, and problem-solving across disciplines and perspectives, generating fresh insights to support safer, more accessible streets while giving students hands-on experience with the complexities of real-world geospatial work.

Geosaurus Unleashed is every second Wednesday, from 4 – 5:30pm CST! Enjoy an impactful presentation related to the geospatial field as well as free drinks, and networking.

SLDC ConnectSTL Quarterly Forum: Workforce + AI in St. Louis
2026-06-12 11:00 - 14:00 | T-REX 5th Floor, 911 Washington Ave. Suite 500, St. Louis, MO, 63101, United States
Join SLDC & ConnectSTL for a public quarterly convening focused on the future of workforce, AI, and digital equity in St. Louis. REGISTER HERE on EventBrite

ConnectSTL Quarterly Forum: Workforce + AI in St. Louis

ConnectSTL is St. Louis’ Digital Equity Coalition powered by St. Louis Development Corporation. Join us for a quarterly forum focused on the future of workforce, AI, and digital equity in St. Louis.
As federal priorities, technology, and workforce needs continue to shift, this forum will bring together leaders, organizations, educators, workforce professionals, businesses, and community members to discuss what these changes mean locally and how St. Louis can stay prepared instead of falling behind.
Led by Digital Equity Manager Tanjii Cole, the conversation will cover emerging AI and workforce trends, regional collaboration opportunities, digital inclusion efforts, and updates connected to the ConnectSTL ecosystem and collaboration portal.
Learn More & Register on EventBrite

Geospatial User Group - Third Wednesdays
2026-06-17 15:30 - 17:30 | Geospatial Innovation Center @ T-REX (4th Floor), 911 Washington Ave, St. Louis, MO, 63101, United States
On Wed, June 17, don’t miss Steve Kipp of Gateway Geospatial Group (G3) present, “Schrödinger’s Intelligence: Number Stations” at GÜG (Geospatial Users Group).
A geolocation problem in disguise. Anonymous shortwave broadcasts of spoken digits have run for almost a century, and the signal blankets the planet, so attribution collapses entirely into coordinates. Knowing who runs through knowing where. This talk works on the geolocation stack: Time Difference of Arrival (TDoA) across distributed Software-Defined Radio (SDR) receivers, hyperbolic multilateration, and receiver geometry tight enough to matter. It closes on a recent station the press pinned to one country until the math put the transmitter somewhere else entirely.

Geospatial User Group (GÜG) is every third Wednesday, from 3:30 – 5:30pm CST! Enjoy an impactful presentation as well as free drinks, and networking. This collaborative meetup is for all geospatial users

Python for (Almost) Everything
2026-06-18 16:00 - 19:00
Python for (Almost) Everything – Thursday, June 18th. Join us at Downtown TREX as we celebrate the 1 year anniversary of PySTL! In this mini conference, we will bring in speakers from industry, researchers, and students to talk about the various ways Python is used. We will cover a broad array of topics such as Web Development, Geospatial, and AI.
There will be free pizza and beer!
Register Now

Strictly Social - Fourth Wednesdays
2026-06-24 16:30 - 18:30 | T-REX 5th Floor, 911 Washington Ave. Suite 500, St. Louis, MO, 63101, United States
Join us for Strictly Social on June 24 at T-REX, 4:30-6:30 for our monthly free happy hour! Our VIP Bartender is Stephen Davis, recently-appointed Chief Economic Development Officer of St. Louis City and T-REX board member. Davis is a seasoned leader in economic development; before his recent appointment, he was at the St. Louis Development (SLDC), where he has served as vice president of strategic partnerships and initiatives since 2022.

Throughout his career, Stephen has been a champion for St. Louis small businesses, job creation, and strategic partnerships that strengthen our region. His leadership and dedication have made him a strong advocate for innovation in St. Louis and will be instrumental in shaping our city’s future.

About Strictly Social
Our Strictly Social happy hour series is just as it sounds! This event is “strictly social” — no format, no presentations. Just one local mover & shaker serves as the guest VIP Bartender to ensure you have facetime while they grab the beer of your choice for you behind our bar. All are welcome; bring your friends!
Strictly Social is held on the Fourth Wednesday of every month. Join us at the T-REX Bar (5th Floor) from 4:30 – 6:30pm!

Small Business Resource Fair
2026-06-30 14:00 - 17:00 | T-REX 5th Floor, 911 Washington Ave. Suite 500, St. Louis, MO, 63101, United States
REGISTER HERE

Take your business to the next level at this free event in downtown STL! Mark your calendars for Tuesday, June 30, from 2pm – 5pm!

At this free event, entrepreneurs have the chance to talk face-to-face with small business development experts. There is a variety of things to learn, including:

How to navigate early stages of your small business
Where to go for advice on financing, marketing, and technology
How to sell your product or service to the government
Info on local workshops and networking events

No matter where you are in your small business journey, there’s something valuable for you at this Small Business Resource Fair.
Participating organizations include Small Business Development Center (SBDC), Missouri APEX Accelerator, NGA Small Business Office, NGA’s Moonshot Labs, and more! Enjoy food, refreshments, and networking afterwards.

Read more and register here

Boardroom Bullpen Open Office Hours - 1st & 3rd Thursdays
2026-07-02 09:00 - 11:00 | T-REX 5th Floor, 911 Washington Ave. Suite 500, St. Louis, MO, 63101, United States
If you’re building a business and have tough questions, ask expert Ted Stann at Boardroom Bullpen during their Open Office Hours. A 25+ year veteran of the St. Louis startup ecosystem, Ted has worked with over 100 startup and traditional companies and has helped raise $300M in equity. Besides Co-founding Boardroom Bullpen, which offers strategic leadership and support, Ted has served as an Adjunct Professor at WashU’s Olin Business School.
Don’t miss your chance to ask Ted questions on everything from bookkeeping basics to fundraising strategy, forecasting, cap table management, and financial tech stacks.
Boardroom Bullpen Open Office Hours are held every 1st and 3rd Thursday, 9-11 AM, on the 5th Floor at T-REX
